A while ago I made a post in which I presented some arguments for the early and genuine authorship of the Gospels. But today I wanted to look at an alternative perspective. I call it the "Telephone Game" theory.
This hypothesis holds that the Gospels were composed late in the first century - (after the fall of Jerusalem in the year 70AD) - and do not reflect the original narrative of Christ's life and deeds. Instead they reflect a gradual mythologizing of the preacher from Nazareth.
The argument typically sounds like this:
"We've all played the children's game where we stand in a line and whisper a message from person to person. Each time the message is passed there are subtle changes. When it arrives at the other side of the line, the final message is completely different from the original.
Something like that surely happened with the Jesus story. His legend grew bigger and bigger until he became God incarnate. That's what we see in the Gospels."How do we respond to this?
Diverse Expectations:
Let’s suppose that IS what happened. What would we expect to see? And does it match up with what actually happened?
Well, this took place in a world before telecommunications. It would have been difficult to coordinate the rapidly evolving Jesus story. So if people are embellishing the narrative as it travels outward, we can expect each geographic region to come up with its own unique traditions regarding Jesus.
One community might regard him as a human sage. Another would say he came back from the dead. A third might say he joined the Egyptian pantheon. The result would be different schools of Christianity which have their own traditions about the life and nature of Christ.
A good comparison might be something we’ve seen in Islam.
In addition to the Koran, Islam also has what are called the "Hadiths". The Hadiths are traditions regarding the life and deeds of Mohammad. There are thousands of them. And different schools of Islam accept different ones ... even down to the present day.
That is likely what Christianity would look like if a Telephone Game had occurred… but that isn’t what happened. As I noted in my essay on the canon, the Gospels were accepted universally. Everyone agreed that those books reflected the beliefs of their community.
So that’s the first reason to doubt the Telephone Game hypothesis. If people were really free to exaggerate the story of Jesus until he became the resurrected God of the Jews, we wouldn’t expect to see everyone doing it. A global consensus would come as a surprise. We'd expect the emergence of multiple competing narratives.
This Is No Game!
Now, in the above section we granted that the "Telephone Game" occurred before the writing of the Gospels. However, you don't have to grant that assumption. Here is why....
The Telephone Game works because of the structure of the game and how the message is passed. It has the following qualities:
- No supervision: The originator of the message has no control after the game starts.
- Private: The message is passed along one person at a time in secret.
- Many Iterations: There are usually a dozen kids or more.
- No practice: Each person has no practice before passing on the message.
- Low-Stakes: There are usually no rewards or punishments for changing the message.
Well, suppose you could make another game. In this one a man has to pass down a poem through multiple groups of 20 people. If the third group can recite the poem properly, everyone gets their college loans and mortgages paid off.
So he practices the poem with the first group for a week. Then the second group is incorporated into the first group. They practice together for another week. The first group (and the originator) are then removed. The second group mixes in with a third group - and now they practice for a week.
Do you suppose the poem will recited accurately by this third "generation"? You bet it will. Those people had tons of practice, opportunities for correction, and are highly motivated to get it right.
And THAT is the spread of the Gospel was like.
As I wrote about [here] and [here], all the historical evidence tells us the early Christians retained the Jewish practice of liturgical worship. They had rituals, creeds, hymns, and common prayers which everyone in the congregation would know. They passed down the Christian faith as a group from one generation to another with long periods of overlap. And the stakes at hand was the eternal salvation of their souls.
So do we really expect the early Christians to completely corrupt the story in the space of two generations? That element of the Telephone Game seems highly unlikely.
Bad Assumptions:
Here's the last thing.
Up until now we have granted the premise that the Gospels were written toward the end of the first century AD. And indeed, this is (supposedly) the majority view among historians. Armed with this consensus, skeptical folks will present the late authorship of the Gospels as if it is a proven fact.
But we don't have to grant them that. You have to ask:
Why do these scholars think the Gospels were written late in the first century? Do they have good reasons for thinking that?The answer is; The experts say this because they know the Gospels contain accurate predictions about the destruction of Jerusalem which occurred in 70AD. From there those experts say something like:
"These predictions are presented to us as prophecies made by Jesus in the year 30AD. But we all know prophecies are impossible and don't happen in the real world. Therefore the Gospels had to be written after the invasion of Jerusalem and the authors presented it as a prophecy to fool people into thinking Jesus knew the future."Thus the Wikipedia article on Matthew's Gospel says:
"The majority view among scholars is that Matthew was a product of the last quarter of the 1st century. This makes it a work of the second generation of Christians, for whom the defining event was the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Romans in 70 CE in the course of the First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE)" - Gospel of Matthew, WikipediaSo the reason for the supposed consensus is because the "experts" approach the text assuming history proceeds as if God is not there. This means the prospect of genuine prophecy is ruled out from the start and dismissed without consideration.
But they haven't proven that assumption. In fact, you have good reasons to believe in God. That means things like prophecies and miracles are a possibility. It also means you can dismiss the consensus of scholars because their conclusions are dependent on an assumption you know to be false.
Back to the Evidence:
Let's wrap this up.
The "Telephone Game" theory proposes that the real message of Jesus was exaggerated and mythologized prior to the writing of the Gospels in the late first century. This means the story which appears in the text is not a reliable historical witness.
However, this theory does not account for the unity of the Christian world around that exaggerated Christ. It doesn't reflect the mode of transmission of the Christian tradition. And it is based on naturalistic assumptions which we don't agree with anyway.
All of this can be combined with what was presented last time to reassert the early publication and reliability of the Gospels. They are the testimony of honest men.
[Still more could be said by drawing on the letters of Paul, but we'll do that another time.]
Dear Readers: You do not need to be a scholar to disbelieve resurrection claims.
ReplyDeleteTwo thousand years ago, hundreds of millions of people on earth believed in a god named Zeus who lived on top of Mount Olympus in Greece who performed many fantastical supernatural deeds. The existence of Zeus and the historicity of his alleged deeds have never been disproven.
Approximately 1300 years ago, a man named Mohammad claimed to have received a visit from a supernatural being who gave him the true word of the creator of the universe and who enabled him to fly on a winged horse into the heavens. Hundreds of millions of people today believe in the historicity of these claims. These claims have never been disproven.
Approximately 200 years ago, a man named Joseph Smith claimed to have received golden plates from a supernatural being containing the true, updated, word of the creator of the universe. Millions of people today believe that this claim is historical fact. This claim has never been disproven.
Since these claims have never been disproven, should we believe them? Should we believe these fantastical, extra-ordinary claims that defy the established laws of nature? The proponents of the above claims would say that the possible/probable existence of a Creator greatly increases the probability of these claims being true. But is that really correct? Doesn't the evidence seem to suggest that if a Creator exists, he/she/they/it have chosen to operate, at least within our universe, within the natural laws? How often have experts confirmed that established natural laws have been violated?
I would therefore suggest that the possible existence of a Creator can in no way be assumed to increase the probability of un-natural events occurring within our universe. We have no confirmed evidence to suggest that a Creator routinely or even sporadically violates the laws of nature. We have no evidence to believe that gods live on Greek mountains; that celestial beings enable humans to ride on winged horses; or that persons in upstate New York receive plates of gold from angels.
So when another large group of people living today tells you their fantastical, extra-ordinary claim that two thousand years ago a three-day-dead corpse was suddenly reanimated back to life by an ancient middle-eastern deity, broke out of his sealed tomb, ate a fish lunch with his former fishing buddies, and then levitated into the clouds, I suggest that we consider this claim to be just as probable as the three claims above.
And unlike what you have been told, dear friend, you do NOT need to be a scholar to disbelieve all four of these supernatural claims. Why? Answer: Because the onus of proof is NOT on you, the skeptic. In western, educated society the onus is always on the person making the fantastical, extra-ordinary claim, not on those who doubt it.
Therefore, the onus is on the proponents of these four supernatural tales to prove their veracity, and so far, the evidence presented by these groups of believers is dismal to pathetic. That is why no public university history textbook in the western world lists any of these four claims as even "probable" historical events.
You don't need to be a scholar to disbelieve supernatural religious tales of gods living on mountains, prophets flying in the air on winged horses, upstate New Yorkers receiving heavenly messages in cow pastures, or reanimated dead guys flying off into outer space. Don't let the proponents of these tall tales convince you otherwise.
Your long reply here basically boils down to:
Delete1) If you are going to believe some supernatural claims, why not believe all of them?
2) You can deny supernatural claims out of hand because burden of proof something something.
The first point was actually addressed in my previous post. One thing I pointed out was how you can judge the credibility of the originator of that claim. For instance, does that person have manifestly obvious ulterior motives?
As for the second thing, you are correct. Supernatural claims do require evidence. That's why the first post was called, "Does the Bible count as evidence?" And the conclusion was that the testimony of honest men is a valid form of evidence.
Now, you have once again attempted to use this space - not to respond directly to points made by the author - but as a lectern with which to preach at my audience about whatever you feel like.
That's the last time I let you do this. In the future your comments will be directed toward me and addressing matters raised in the post in which the comment appears. If not, I will tag you as spam and be done with your sermons.
Your comment insinuates that you believe that if a teller of a supernatural tale has a reputation for being honest and sincere, then we should take their claim seriously. This is poor logic. Very honest and sincere people can be very sincerely wrong. And more to the point, even if an alleged eyewitness or group of eyewitnesses has a stellar reputation for honesty and integrity, the more extra-ordinary their claim, the less we should trust their testimony without additional corroborating evidence, and, if their alleged testimony is so wildly extra-ordinary that it defies multiple laws of nature, we should reject their testimony out of hand.
DeleteLet me give you an example:
Twelve of the most upstanding, honest, highly-respected members of your community claim to have seen a red car speeding down main street yesterday. I will bet that you would accept this testimony as fact without asking for any additional evidence.
However, this same group of highly respected citizens also claims that last night, a large Martian mothership appeared over town hall; beamed them all up individually from their beds into the spaceship; and then, hurtled through space to the planet Mars, where they underwent mind probing and other experiments for three hours, including walking around on the planet for 30 minutes without any oxygen; and then they all returned safely to their beds on earth before sunrise.
Our twelve highly respected, honest citizens are so certain that this Martian space excursion happened last night that they are all willing to take lie detector tests, which they all pass, and, swear under oath that their statements are nothing but the truth.
Based on the unquestioned character of the eyewitnesses, should we accept that this event occurred?
Answer: Absolutely not.
Why? Here are just a couple of reasons:
1. It defies current space travel abilities to travel to Mars and back in the matter of six hours (midnight to sunrise).
2. It is impossible for humans to live in an environment which lacks oxygen, even for a few minutes, let alone 30 minutes.
3. There is no current ability to levitate persons out of the inside of their homes into a space craft.
And the same can be said of the Resurrection claim:
1. It is medically impossible for a three-day-dead corpse to come back to life. It defies the laws of nature.
2. There was no means in the first century, mechanical or otherwise, for humans beings to "ascend" into the clouds.
3. There is no known mechanism even today for a human being to teleport between cities, such as Emmaus and Jerusalem.
Therefore, even if the witnesses to the Resurrection were the most upstanding, honest, reliable, trustworthy persons on the planet, there is absolutely no reason we should believe this multiple-laws-of-nature-defying supernatural tale.
This was a very long way of saying: "Miracles defy or go beyond the laws of nature. Therefore you should not believe in them no matter how many trustworthy eye witnesses attest to them."
DeleteYes.
DeleteIf the entire Supreme Court of the United States swears on a stack of Bible that they were transported to Mars last night where they walked around on the Red Planet, without oxygen, for 30 minutes, do NOT believe them.
Their claim defies the inviolable laws of nature.
It is more likely that they were all at a party last night doing LSD than that their claim is true.
Then you could have saved a lot of virtual ink saying it that way.
DeleteI'm reminded of what GK Chesterton said when he was writing about this same idea... a century ago. He noted that the man who is open to the possibility of the miraculous is the truly open minded one. The man who assumes their intrinsic impossibility is the man with the dogma. It is a difficult thing talking to a person who is rigidly dogmatic.
I recall a debate where the Atheist said, "If God really did make the universe, what's the odd virgin birth to surprise you?" He had the right idea. A debate around the possibility of miracles is really a debate about the existence of God. If God made the universe, those laws are just the programming the universe runs on. Anyone who has ever typed IDKFA into a Doom game has enough perspective to know how miracles can exist.
You are making another assumption, Steven. I readily admit that evidence exists suggesting the possible existence of a Creator. But this same evidence suggests that if a Creator exists, he/she/they/it has chosen not to violate the laws of nature. We have no solid proof that the laws of nature have ever been violated. All claims to the contrary seem to always occur in Appalachia or some other rural area of the United States or in the hinterlands of some Third Word country, never caught on video, despite the ubiquitous presence of cell phones with video recording capabilities.
DeleteYou said, "He noted that the man who is open to the possibility of the miraculous is the truly open minded one. The man who assumes their intrinsic impossibility is the man with the dogma. It is a difficult thing talking to a person who is rigidly dogmatic."
I never once said that the supernatural is impossible. What I am trying to help you to see is that although the supernatural is possible (we can never prove the non-existence of something that defies examination with standard testing), supernatural events are highly, highly improbable, so until better evidence exists for any of the tens of thousands of supernatural claims in the world, I suggest we ignore them all...including yours.
Debating the "probability" of miracles is something I don't find fruitful, because we're not speaking of something which occurs by chance but rather the choice of an intelligent agent. And just because that agent wrote the those of physics into the universe, I see no reason to see why He didn't also allow for a ~*heal_woman(blindness) command if He so chooses.
DeleteNow, I for one would not fault God for choosing to reserve miracles for people in the so-called "Third World". And I regard it as rather condescending and colonial to say that the testimony coming from such places is inherently unreliable. After all, Christianity holds that the poor and humble merit special attention from God.
Now, I'm under no delusion that miracles are rare. But they are still on the table as possible events. As it is, I have encountered trustworthy people who have claimed to experience the miraculous. I believe them. I believe I have personally experienced a quasi-miraculous cure.
And in some of my past writing, I've given a few examples which I find quite interesting: http://actsapologist.blogspot.com/2015/01/my-favorite-theistic-arguments-part-v.html
Now, a thoroughgoing naturalist would of course assert that such events could have perfectly natural - if yet unknown - natural causes. But I'd simply say I have no use for that sort of dogmatism.
"Debating the "probability" of miracles is something I don't find fruitful, because we're not speaking of something which occurs by chance but rather the choice of an intelligent agent."
DeleteTrue, but I believe that you are making a very big assumption in assuming that your God, Yahweh/Jesus, is the Creator. By the evidence available to us outside your holy book (the Bible) the Creator does NOT interfere in our universe to violate the laws of nature. You assume that he does because you assume that your god is the Creator and your holy book claims that your god has performed many violations of the laws of nature. However, I challenge you to provide evidence that even ONE of the supernatural claims of your holy book have really occurred.
Six day creation? Nope. Not according to scientists.
Young earth? Nope. Not according to scientists.
World wide flood? Nope. Not according to scientists.
So you see, without providing evidence that the Creator has violated the laws of nature prior to the alleged resurrection/reanimation of Jesus, the odds that the Creator violated the laws of nature that one time are very, very low compared to the odds that the early Christian belief in a Resurrection developed from purely naturalistic causes: such as wild rumors, vivid dreams/trances, and legends of mostly uneducated, superstitious people.
Dogmatism?
I have never once asserted that supernatural events are impossible. That would be dogmatic. I have simply claimed that there is insufficient evidence to believe that ANY of the tens of thousands of supernatural claim on planet earth are true and therefore we can comfortably ignore ALL supernatural claims.
You keep using this word "assumption". I don't think this word means what you think it means. If you look through the table of contents for this blog, you'll see I have devoted a great deal of effort arguing for many of the positions which you can "assumptions". That would make them not assumptions.
DeleteYou want evidence for a Biblical miracle? In the previous post on the Bible (and in this one) I present reasons to believe the Gospels accurately reflect the testimony of the first Christians. And I regard that testimony as evidence.
Further, my study on Old Testament prophecies of the Messiah yielded results which honestly surprised me. I regard those as evidence for true prophecy, and thus divine intervention.
Then there are the examples in the link I just gave you. And I could provide more examples of events which are very plausibly miraculous.
However, these all pale in comparison to the best example of a Biblical miracle. One for which we have rather convincing proof of God's interaction with the universe: The creation of the universe at some point in the finite past in a manner which is condusive for life.
I would add to that another one which can be known through philosophical reasoning in the form of the Contingency Argument or Thomas Aquinas's 1st and 2nd Way: Divine conservation of the universe from moment to moment.
The problem for your particular supernatural belief system is that the evidence discovered by scientists for the creation of the universe is NOTHING like the illogical tall tale told in the first two chapters of the first book of your ancient holy book.
DeleteAll of the alleged "prophecies" of the OT have been debunked. In fact, many scholars now believe that the Book of Daniel is a work of fraud: though it claims to be written by someone living in the Babylonian and Persian empires, it was actually written during the Greek empire.
Even I can "prophesy" events that have already taken place.
The accuracy of the precise details of Genesis narratives would matter if you were talking to a Evangelical Fundamentalist.... but you're talking to a Catholic.
DeleteFrom my perspective, the Genesis narrative relays certain truths in a mytho-historical way. One of those truths is that the universe was created at some point in the finite past. You asked for an example, there is your one example.
As for what "scholars" say about Daniel... frankly my dear, I don't care. I think our business is concluded.